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Thalia Toha's avatar

Mitch- Your insight on masculinity never being just one thing stands out. I do wish this is highlighted more everywhere. Thanks for sharing.

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I think one of the major issues with our understanding of the script is we see it in isolation as if it was some kind of universal truth and way of being. Humans have always been more complex than that. For most of history we can only guess because we have limited documentation and what we have may have been documented likely was presenting idealized ideas. Masculinity is also a projection. How we want to be seen not who we are. People were much more private and had strong social codes dictating public behavior in many time periods so what happened in private was likely very different but not documented.

Another major issue is if this script was considered a universal ideal, which is in question, it was an ideal not the lived reality of most people. Many young men in the modern era have internalized this to be that if you aren't the elite you are nothing which is silly. I think of the joust scene from the movie A Knights Tale. There are hundreds of men and extras in the scene. The one who most aligns with the ideal is the villain. Most of the other men would probably want what he has but I don't think very many would want to be him. They do however live a variety of realities as men happily and succesfully without being either the hero or villain. You can take almost any kind of sequence like that in film. Commodus in Gladiator another example.

My point is we need bring those other realities back into the discussion and build a much broader range of acceptable experience. Many of which may be much more comfortable and personally satisfying than the hero or villain.

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